A site called Cinematical.com is taking a poll, based on a SciFi Wire article, on whether or not fans think George Lucas should retire. So far the polls show that the majority of fans (51%) think that he should retire. Take the poll and post your response back here; I said that he should retire although I do admit to watching and actually enjoying the new Clone Wars series.

http://www.cinematical.com/2009/01/07/poll...e-lucas-retire/

Here's the original SciFi Wire article that inspired the poll.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/we-strike-bac...retire.php#more

Absolutely, he should retire.

To be honest, I've never held George Lucas in high regard as a director. His early works, THX, American Graffiti, etc, were excellent, but, to be honest, I think he 'burned himself out' long ago (in a galaxy far, far away )
To be honest, I haven't given much focus to the latest Clone Wars series, simply because I consider it too revisionist, of a time period he already covered in the previous Clone Wars, prior to Revenge of the Sith. Okay, SW is his baby, from that perspective, he can do what he wants with it, (I once read a novel which the authore re-wrote, and the re-write was much better than the first edition) but I think any credibility he had is long since gone, and now he's just in it to rake in the cash from merchandise. Okay, not to "knock a homey's hustle", if he wants to do it, and that puts food on his table, then so be it, but, I don't think there's any danger of his family going hungry, so from that point of view, I think he should have the good grace to say "Enough's enough" and just let SW be and move on to other projects.

No I dont think he should retire hes the only one out there that's not destroying something, unless your a purest and think the OT is the be all and end all when it comes to SW.

Now look at all these remakes that are going on, SF(granted the 94 version was bad and the only saving grace they have is ray park playing snake eyes). They are making a LA dragon ball that is going to suck so bad, They are making a LA akira movie which is going to suck more than anything that has ever sucked before.

90% of anything that has came out of Hollywood in the last 10 years has sucked so bad its not even funny, these so called horror films are nothing but a complete joke, What sci fi films have come out, there's the matrix, SW, some ST stuff and that's just some of the bigger names that are successful and movies. Look at what had happened to firefly/serenity, Look what happens to all the ST tv series, every couple seasons they shut it down cause of poor ratings but are huge when they start doing reruns, Personally I was a big fan of enterprise, I finally got to see what it would of been like when everything isn't so perfect as they tend to show ST as.

I say let him do what the wants, I love the new CW series, Ever since I heard about it watching ANH I wanted to know wth it was about and the CNCW version was just to short, you could condense it all down into what a couple hours with little to no dialog. Sure alot of people are complaining about the animation and its those people that hate change and are the ones that are OT only people.

I read that link for the scifi wire 9 reason thing and its basically has to do with his decisions to his projects, why should any fans have anything to say about his project and they said that he hasn't released anything good in 22 years after ANH, now that leads me to beleave that they feel that AG was better than SW, OK did you know he dident make any money off that movie? He made just enought to keep the financial backers off his back.



Sorry but I dont feel any of them are capable actors, Angelina was mediocre at best and I think her best film was MR and MRS smith, Buffy was a fail from the start.



If he does this then his ex wife will be stealing more money off of him for his works, That's why he pushed EP3 to be DVD only.



Just goes to show its all about fashion with Hollywood.



This will have nothing to do with the original names, occasionally one of them will show up for an episode or mini series and then gone again just like in alot of sci fi shows. Take for example Stargate Atlantis, occasionally they will have the original actors from SG1 show up and then gone again.



I have yet to see but again it is GL work and anything he wants to do he can do it cause its his projects.

I agree the removal of Sebastian Shaw was a bad move and personally I think Hayden was a bad move in general, Have any of you seen Hayden's past movies? He sucks so bad waling down a street the level of suck he has around him would strip chrome off metal in a 50 mile radius.

I agree willow and howard the duck sucked but you cant base all his work on those 2 movies.

The comments section of the poll site number 6 he/she is an OT fan boy so IMO there opinion is tossed out cause they have there mind set to tune everything else out.

David Fincher or Tim Burton sorry I dont see them as capable directors.

Comment #9 and I quote, I wonder if this guy ever wrote or directed anything other than when to take a ****.

People need to realise that SW isn't just got the old nerds, Remember a good majority of people that sit on forums and ***** were kids when SW came out so they need to realize that its not just for you too.

I agree with commenter # 24.

In short, unless you directed, wrote something that has been made to a movie and won a grammy then these bloggers need to shut the hell up. You know whats sad, peopel get paid to blog, IMO bloging should be removed from the internet.

Personally, I prefer the prequel trilogy to the OT. I'd go so far as to say that I don't particularly like the characters in the OT...
I really enjoyed the first CW series, and, the quality of the animation makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever. I grew up watching a variety of both animated cartoons, and Gerry Anderson marrionettes, so I look at it for the story-telling, not the actual quality of the animation. I feel that the new CW is just an unnecessary revision on the previous CW series. Lucas is a 'tinkerer'. He can't just leave a project alone, and has to keep going back to add bits here or there or change things. The only problem, is he isn't actually any good at it. Don't mistake the popularity of Star Wars for a sign that George Lucas is an awesome director, because frankly, he is not. He made mistakes in direction in Phantom Menace, that when I was a first year film student, I would have been forced to re-shoot (or likely realized myself and re-shot) As I said above Lucas is a good story teller, or rather, he had a good story to tell. He told it, and just can't seem to put it down...
Also, yes, he is destroying something: His original works, and the respect and esteem with which he was once held by many fans of the Star Wars series.
While I can understand that Tim Burton's style of film making might not be to everyone's taste, to say he is not a capable director, is, to dissmiss some incredibly well made films...

What occurs to me is, "What do they mean by 'retire'? Close lucasfilm? Stop writing? Stop directing? Stop producing? What exactly are these people talking about?

Frankly, the only real problem george has is that he no longer has an editor: in his early years, he was surrounded by people who would talk him out of his bad ideas. As far as I can see, he doen't have that anymore...and he really needs it. George has great ideas and bad ideas...and he doesn't seem to have the ability to tell the difference by himself. Gene Roddenberry seems to have this as his chief talent: gene didn't really have much by way of his own original ideas...but he had the knack for culling the best of them , from both himself and others.

That font of ideas hasn't run dry...and the good ideas are gold. people with no talent themselves feel they can denigrate his work, while they themselves have accomplished nothing. Yes, his later works have been flawed...but they refuse to see that everything he's done has had gold in it, all they see is the 10% crap, not the 90% gold.

I could fix all the flaws in crystal skull with one page of dialogue and a few edits...ditto the most recent star wars films.
He does so much right, all he needs to do is cut out that 10% crap.

George needs an editor.

By the way, it's down to 49% yes votes.

I agree with your sentiments, what Lucas really needs is someone to tell him "no" and keep him grounded; that and he needs to stay away from directing. I think that the success of the Indy and Star Wars franchises has made him delusional and caused his head to be permanently up in the clouds where he believes that every idea of his pure gold and absolute genius. He needs a strong partner, someone that he will both respect and actually listen to, who will tell him when any of his ideas stink and get him to think like he did back when wrote the original Star Wars and Empire.

As to the argument that just because one hasn't made or written a successful film themselves has no right to criticize, I strongly disagree. Just because one can't doesn't mean that they have no valid input, I think that as long as someone has an appreciation for the art (be it music, film, food, etc.) then I'd say that anything they might have to say has equal value as anything from someone who makes the art.

I think that eating food is one thing, and being a chef is another. You can complain that you dont' like the taste of the food, but if you can't cook yourself you can't tell the chef how to cook.


I've written and published...and I don't take writing advice myself from somebody who can't write themselves.
I dont' see it as valid or worthwhile.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he should not retire

i did not vote, and i liked Crystal Skull

but the Clone Wars movie gave me nightmares, so much so that i have not watched the show on tv at all

the original mini series ones were so much better....

I didn't care all that much for Crystal Skull, it had its moments but overall it wasn't all that good,

As for the Clone Wars, the movie was "meh" but I'm rather enjoying the TV series, it's actually rather well written. Aside from the stupid battle droids it's really not written for kids with some rather serious and at times dark story lines. I'd actually recommend watching it and giving it a try, you might find that you like it, that's what happened to me. I'd go as far to say that the series is better than Ep. II and in some ways, esp. where Anakin is concerned, better than even Ep. III. The relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin is much better developed, the mentor-apprentice relationship is played down and they're more friends, the banter between the two is like some of the better parts of Ep. III and Anakin is far, far less whiney and far less the moody, broody, pissed off character he was in Ep. II & III. Plus it's just cool to see all of those different Clone Troopers, many of whom have a shorter life span than a classic Trek redshirt.

I just wanted to Strangle that annoying Girl jedi: jar jar-esque obvious device to draw in kiddies. Ick.
Luckily, they are de-emphasing the character in the TV show.

PS. Is it just me, or does somebody at Lucasfilm under the impression that there's some sort of dress code for female jedi that requires them to look like they are going nightclubbing in the '80s? Are tube tops REALLY appropriate for swordfighting? Oh, yes, male jedi wear robes and protective armor head to foot, but female jedi have to show off their goodies?

" Dress like a slut you must, Yessss..."

i hate the nick names in the movie, do they use them in the series???

LOL nightclubbing in the 80's, priceless

The only nicknames that I'm aware of are "Ani" for Anakin, which was used throughout the prequel movies, and "Snips" for Asoka (Anakin's Padawan). Like I said, the series is pretty different in tone from the movie and I really do recommend giving it a try. This is coming from someone who hated Ep. I and only mildly liked Ep. II & III and voted that Lucas should retire in poll that this thread is about, this is so you know that this suggestion isn't coming from some rabid fanboy who thinks Lucas (much like the Trek folk and Rodenberry) can do no wrong and is the next best thing to the second coming and since sliced bread.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's all come up with more appropriate nicknames for the Clone Wars Characters.

They should call Asoka, 'Snot'. Oh, how about 'Mosquito', because she sucks?

For anikin, how about 'Handy'?

LOL Ani should be whiney,

i hated how she called r2 arto-ee, that alone should be reason enough for Lucas to retire

maybe he should move on to other things... sometimes a change of pace and scenery does wonders for someone's creativity?

How about 'Drag queen' for Jar jar? Maybe 'smartass' for Obi Wan.

The only thing I dislike about her is her apparent disregard for the whole Teacher/Student relationship.

Anakin and Obiwan are peers now, but Asoka... annoying little twit. "Sky-guy" my ass. If it were a martial arts class
and the teachers name was "Anderson" and you called him "Sunny"... you'd get knocked ON your ass.



Seriously, is there any OTHER reason to watch Aayla Secura?

Yes, I am a pig. I admit it.

I agree though, it wouldn't hurt to have the females buff up on the armor a tad. You can wear armor
and still have the character be sexy without looking like a Dragoncon Femtrooper.

Russ

My main beef Askohka is her skill/power level, for a Padawan she's awfully good. She's taken on both Grievous and Ventress and lived to tell about it and she deflects the blasts from battle droids with the same apparent skill and ease as both Anakin and Obi-Wan. I suppose she's supposed to be pretty talented and all but I think they went a little overboard, with they say she's being depicted it makes you wonder why she even needs to be apprenticed at all; might as well just make her a full fledged Jedi Knight, she certainly seems to be as good as one.

At any rate, the true test on how adult this show really is intended to be will be when the show ends and if they reveal what the eventual fate of Asohka will be. Will she be killed by Clone Troopers as a result of Order 66, will she survive only to be murdered by her former master, or will she somehow survive it all? The most likely, and most adult, fate would be that she's either killed as a result of Order 66 or is taken out by Vader but somehow I get the feeling that she'll end up being one of the few Jedi to survive the purge and later find out that she comes out of hiding to join the New Republic and the newly reformed Jedi Order. Then all the novel and comic book writers, and maybe even Lucas in the next special edition version of all 6 movies, will have to somehow retcon her in. I wonder how many people will still support Lucas if he decides to somehow add Asohka into scenes of movies 3 - 6? I can just imagine the screams from the fans if Lucas does decide to make more Special Edition releases with new scenes featuring Asohka.

Well, you could still have the siths like ventress dress like ho's...That would add implications that the dark side makes you slutty.

Once the road to the dark side you go down, put out you will! At Hot Topic you will shop, Yeeeees!

I'd vote for the latter...the former isn't very dramatic. It would be a real waste of dramatic material to just dispatch her, a central character has to have a meaningful demise.

Besides, it gives me something to look forward to.

Very true. When Anakin was a Padawan he had his hand chopped off and nearly crushed by force thrown debris. Asoka hasn't so much as had a scratch.

In fact, Anakin is STILL getting the midiclorians beaten outtta him on a regular basis. WTH?



Just remember that Lucasfilm has stated that anything that happens in the Novels/comics/etc. is considered Expanded Universe.



Well, he DID edit Jedi Jumper, er, Anakin in at the end of ROTJ.

For all the complaints, I've actually quite enjoyed the series. I honestly had NO interest in seeing the movie in the theater,
and I'm glad the Mrs. forced me to go. I still have hatred issues with the over-the-top Wrestling announcer voice intros, but aside from that
I quite like it taken as a whole.

I wonder if his plans for a live action series are still in the works, or has he chucked that idea in favor of a quicker production
time by doing everything CG?

Russ

Russ

You know, thinking of Asoka's demise, it's fun to specualate how that might go down.

Maybe it should be right before Anikin kills off the younglings at the jedi temple:

ANIKIN:(torn) No master...you can't ask me to do this. Not this. They are innocents, they are harming to no one...

(Asoka appears)

Asoka: hey there skyguy! The Jedi council decided it takes a real master to teach the younglings, so I've been teaching them. Thy're all going to be just like me!

YOUNGLINGS: SKYGUY! SKYGUY! NO MASTER AM I!!!

ANIKIN SLICES HER IN HALF WITH HIS LIGHTSABER.

ANAKIN: Oh, look, I can see sky through the hole in your body.

that makes so much more sense, doesn't it

skyguy, argh!!

thanks for the smiles this thread is funny